viperxbr Posted February 3, 2012 Share Posted February 3, 2012 Gents, Notice a weird issue when observing online aircraft. The indicated speeds seem to be about 70-80% higher in EFB than their actual speeds. An example was last night while flying with company CXA aircraft, EFB speeds indicated +900kts, actual speed +500kts. Noticed this after upgrading to v1.3.2. Anyone else see this? Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackharpenden Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 Hi Todd, It's interesting that you mention that as I've also noticed this. In EFB's Online settings there's a tick box for when the pilot client provides the speed in kilometres per hour as opposed to knots. Ticking this option will solve the issue, and show the speed in knots once again. However, both FSInn and SB provide the speeds in knots anyway, so there shouldn't be the need to tick the box. In an earlier beta build of 1.3.2 there was an issue where it began to show altitudes in metres instead of feet, this was then fixed, but it's possible that when this bug was added that metric speeds were also implemented by accident. Urs, Could you look into this? Thanks, Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viperxbr Posted February 4, 2012 Author Share Posted February 4, 2012 Thanks for the tip. Weird. Never had that ticked before and it worked fine. I'll give it a try. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aivlasoft Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 Todd, have you had a look at the "AI aircraft monitor" when that happened? It would be interested which values the monitor is showing. The monitor is a new feature which came with 1.3.2. It can be started from the DataProvider's menu ("Data" > "AI aircraft monitor") and it shows the native values which come out of FSX. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viperxbr Posted February 4, 2012 Author Share Posted February 4, 2012 Hey Urs, Funny you mentioned that. As I was shutting down the last time I used EFB, I saw that option in the Data Provider menu. I'll give it a try next time I use it. Should I un-check the "km/h" option before hand? I want to see "kts". Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG_Flyer Posted February 4, 2012 Share Posted February 4, 2012 Speaking as a non-online flyer (raising shields against the doleful glares from those who can't imagine not flying online), unchecking that certainly wouldn't hurt. (And if it did, a quick re-check would sort things out. ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viperxbr Posted February 7, 2012 Author Share Posted February 7, 2012 So I tried the online AI aircraft monitor and speeds seem to be fine but the util is kind of useless to me as I run my FSX in full screen mode which completely overlaps the monitor window. One other issue I'm seeing as well is some online aircraft appear on EFB and some do not. Seems to be hit and miss now since upgrading to v1.3.2. For instance the other night I was flying with a couple other pilots and I could only see one of them on the apron in EFB yet in FSX both planes are at the Gates. I would try to disconnect and reconnect with Squawkbox and the appearances would switch. I notice the same thimg with other online aircraft in the area. Looks very random. Something odd is definitely happening here. I think I may downgrade to the previous version and try it again. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aivlasoft Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Todd, but the util is kind of useless to me as I run my FSX in full screen modeI know that running in full screen mode is nicer ... but for investigations (and the "AI aircraft monitor" is only built for investigation purposes) it would be helpful if you could give it a try in windowed mode. Thanks for understanding. BTW, downgrading to 1.3.1 SP5 is not a good idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackharpenden Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 There seems to be a more serious problem here. Ticking the box for kph just appears to make the speeds look plausible, but they're still wrong. I'll be posting in the Beta Tester forums later with some findings. Thanks, Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wycliffe Posted February 8, 2012 Share Posted February 8, 2012 So I tried the online AI aircraft monitor and speeds seem to be fine but the util is kind of useless to me as I run my FSX in full screen mode which completely overlaps the monitor window. One other issue I'm seeing as well is some online aircraft appear on EFB and some do not. Seems to be hit and miss now since upgrading to v1.3.2. For instance the other night I was flying with a couple other pilots and I could only see one of them on the apron in EFB yet in FSX both planes are at the Gates. I would try to disconnect and reconnect with Squawkbox and the appearances would switch. I notice the same thimg with other online aircraft in the area. Looks very random. Something odd is definitely happening here. I think I may downgrade to the previous version and try it again. Thanks! Hi It's been awhile since I used squawk box, I use Fsinn, but can you check the multiplayer range in squawk box. I had a similar problem just lately where by I was only seeing the odd online aircraft, it took several weeks of bug hunting in efb and even the pmdg nix before I had an epiphany and realised it was the multiplayer range in Fsinn. Once I adjusted that to 80nm I saw lots of online aircraft. @Travis see me after class for some online inspirational talking, it's still my mission to get you online and enjoying the experience. Wycliffe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viperxbr Posted February 9, 2012 Author Share Posted February 9, 2012 Hi It's been awhile since I used squawk box, I use Fsinn, but can you check the multiplayer range in squawk box. Wycliffe I've had it set to 100nm, which is max, for over a year now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viperxbr Posted February 12, 2012 Author Share Posted February 12, 2012 So I monitored the AI aircraft using the tool and I still see excessive ground speed indications. A company plane type B733 was doing 431kts GS, the tool and EFB was indicating 807kts. A little off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aivlasoft Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 Todd, with "the tool" you mean the "AI aircraft monitor"? If the monitor is indicating 807kts then this is definitely too much. Will have a look at this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CXA001 Posted February 12, 2012 Share Posted February 12, 2012 Having the same issue as Todd reported. Using SquawkBox 4 as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viperxbr Posted February 12, 2012 Author Share Posted February 12, 2012 Todd, with "the tool" you mean the "AI aircraft monitor"? Affirmative. If I go in and change the speed indicator to km/h within EFB, then it indicates a speed much closer to the actual value. It almost seems that by default km/h is used. If you want kts, you need to select km/h in the EFB settings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oskar11 Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 Hallo, how or where can I change the speed from KTS in KM/H in the EFB settins? Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viperxbr Posted February 13, 2012 Author Share Posted February 13, 2012 So I monitored the AI aircraft using the tool and I still see excessive ground speed indications. A company plane type B733 was doing 431kts GS, the tool and EFB was indicating 807kts. A little off. 807 km/h = 435.74514 knots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aivlasoft Posted February 13, 2012 Share Posted February 13, 2012 oskar11, please, according to the forum rules sign your post with your real first name. Thx. You cannot change the speed from knots in Km/h. The indication of the speed is always knots. But if you are flying online (VATSIM or IVAO) and the pilot client software you're using is providing the speed of the aircraft in Km/h it can be set that this speed will re-calculated as knots. (Display-Unit settings > Charts > Traffic: Pilot client software provides groundspeed in Km/h). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aivlasoft Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 Hi, After some tests with SB4 I must come to the following finding: Field "GS [kts]" most probably contains the value for "true airspeed" which is higher than IAS (approx. 2% for every 1000 feet ALT) e.g. ALT = 20'000 feet, IAS = 200 knots, then TAS is 20 * 2% higher than IAS = 1.4 * IAS = 280 knots. Field "IAS [kts]" most probably contains the value for groundspeed. I compared several aircraft tags in VAT-Spy and all of them indicated the value from the monitors column "IAS" as their groundspeed. We will do some further tests, also with FSInn and IvAp. As soon as we are sure that we know all the hidden secrets about "how-does-the-pilot-client-software-inject-its-data-to-FSX" I will create a service pack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
viperxbr Posted February 15, 2012 Author Share Posted February 15, 2012 Thanks for the update! Again, just an FYI, I didn't experience this issue in the previous version(s). Speeds were fine in versions prior to 1.3.2 (if this helps at all). Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skycutter Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 I have to bring this thread to the top again Since the installation of version 1.6.5 the speeds of IVAO traffic are wrong again. Everything worked perfect in the previous version. I tried to play with some settings of the display unit under Charts> Traffic already, but the tick "Pilot client software provides groundspeed in km/h" doesn't have any effect at all. The shown speeds stay as they are - much too high! Attached you find some screenshots out of the EFB and the AI Aircraft Monitor. Mentioned tick was set... Any ideas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aivlasoft Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Hi Skycutter, as per the forum rules, please sign your posts with your real first name. Thanks. Please have a look at the DisplayUnit settings: > Charts > Traffic. There you will find a selection which data field shall be taken for the indication of speed, either GS or IAS. I guess you must select IAS there. Hope this helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skycutter Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 Hi Urs, that's the problem... Even with a selection of IAS the displayed speeds do not change. Don't really have an idea how to solve this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aivlasoft Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Hi Jens, I will have a look at this and let you know my findings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aivlasoft Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Hi Jens, In the meantime I could locate the issue. It was "only" a typo in the code. Regardless of what you have selected in the dialog, finally it always took the value of the ground speed column. Sorry! ... It is fixed with the next update. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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