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Hi,

 

Today I discovered that EFB doesn't show ALL online traffic.

 

Because, I saw a lot of online ATC and pilots, but for example Amsterdam Radar was online on EU12 (IVAO) and this was not shown in EFB.

I had a bad confrontation with the controller because I didn't contact him......... :evil:

 

 

Björn

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Björn,

 

I often see it that controllers are logged in with an "unknown" callsign. What is an "unknown" callsign: Both (Vatsim and IVAO) have listed their FIRs/ARTCCs in a datafile which is considered by EFB. EFB can only recognize services that are listed in these files.

 

Normally such a callsign consists of the FIR's identifier and an additional information about the kind of service that the controller is providing, e.g. LSAS_CTR means Switzerland Radar. LSAS for Switzerland, and CTR for Center/Radar. In big FIRs/ARTCCs it can happen that an area is subdivided in several sub-FIRs which mostly have an additional identifier like "S", "W" etc. Therefore a controller in the Langen Radar area can login with a callsign like "EDGG_S_CTR". As long as a callsign is used that can be recognized by EFB, EFB will show you this.

 

But several times the callsign doesn't match the definitions and therefore it cannot be recognized, e.g. if a controller were using a callsign like "EDGG_Z_CTR", then it cannot be shown in EFB since it cannot be recognized.

 

Hope this helps.

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Hi Urs,

 

Thank you for your fast reply (even on Sunday).

Now I understand why I didn't see him. To bad that I still have to use IVAO'S Eye to see if there is some other ATC online.

 

Maybe sometime there will be a solution for this.

 

Have a good Sunday evening,

 

Björn

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Hi Björn,

 

it's not MY datafile ;-) ... it's the official "firs.dat" file from IVAO. All the entries in that file must correspond to the "fir.dat" file which contains the data for the FIR boundaries. If wildcards like "EHAA_*_CTR" or similar patterns were allowed then it is no longer possible to show the corresponding FIR boundaries on the charts. The controllers must use correct callsigns or IVAO must update the "firs.dat" file.

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a little more testing on this today during my flight to Dallas.

 

As you can see with the image below, KZBW is online, he is logged on as KZBW_CTR, he is in my data folder for the eye as you can see shows within the eye, but doesnt show in EFB, so was wondering what EFB looks for,

 

The entry in firs.dat

 

KZBW::US:Boston:Center:43.8:-71.9

 

The entry in fir.dat

 

!KZBW

43.64:-76.79

44.11:-76.41

44.17:-76.33

44.21:-76.28

44.21:-76.23

44.24:-76.18

44.29:-76.13

44.32:-76.06

44.35:-76

44.35:-75.95

44.45:-75.82

44.51:-75.77

44.72:-75.5

44.67:-75.7

44.82:-75.75

44.97:-74.88

45.07:-74.97

45.15:-74.78

45.19:-74.56

45:-74.25

45.02:-71.48

45.29:-71.33

45.32:-71

45.69:-70.5

45.91:-70.25

46.31:-70.21

46.42:-70.06

46.75:-70

47.45:-69.22

47.29:-68.57

47.33:-68.53

47.37:-68.48

47.4:-68.42

47.43:-68.36

47.46:-68.3

47.48:-68.24

47.5:-68.17

47.51:-68.09

47.52:-68.02

47.53:-67.95

47.53:-67.87

47.53:-67.8

47.52:-67.73

47.51:-67.65

47.49:-67.58

47.47:-67.51

47.45:-67.45

47.42:-67.39

47.39:-67.33

47.35:-67.28

47.32:-67.23

47.28:-67.18

47.24:-67.14

47.19:-67.11

47.15:-67.08

47.09:-67.07

47.04:-67.05

46.99:-67.04

46.95:-67.04

46.9:-67.04

46.85:-67.05

46.79:-67.07

46.75:-67.1

46.7:-67.12

46.65:-67.17

46.62:-67.2

46.57:-67.25

46.54:-67.3

46.2:-67.22

46.15:-67.22

45.83:-67.58

45.78:-67.81

45.63:-67.77

44.94:-67

44.46:-67

43.99:-67

43.51:-67

43.04:-67

42.57:-67

42.09:-67

41.62:-67

41:-69

40.76:-69.34

40.58:-70.88

40.07:-72.5

40.29:-72.99

40.4:-73.24

40.41:-73.25

40.39:-73.4

40.33:-73.64

40.81:-73.29

40.86:-73.37

40.86:-73.86

41.25:-73.86

41.3:-74.01

41.32:-74.08

41.34:-74.09

41.49:-74.34

41.74:-74.96

41.87:-75.05

41.99:-75.34

42.31:-76.05

42.7:-75.97

42.86:-76.01

42.94:-76.09

42.94:-76.48

42.88:-76.67

43.07:-76.76

43.64:-76.79

!KZBW

 

 

 

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Gentlemen,

 

In the Dutch IVAO forum somebody gave me the following possible solution:

Insert this line:

 

EHAA:W:NL:Amsterdam:Radar:52.8:4.6

 

into the firs.dat file of the Eye.

 

I will test it next time Amsterdam Radar is online.

 

Björn

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Björn,

 

thanks for this info.

 

Please be aware of the fact that such manual additions will be overwritten as soon as "the Eye" updates its files.

 

The better way would be to ask someone at IVAO to add this line to their "official" data file.

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Updates for the eye seems to be a progressive thing and if there is a new sector it seems to get updated very quickly, if however there is a new sector, it could be just a matter of asking the sector who owns it to post the information on the forum and this will update the eye next time round.

 

dont forget thought that EHAA:W:NL:Amsterdam:Radar:52.8:4.6

entry will only say a possition but the actual airspace data also needs to be defined.

 

Update

 

Online tonight Urs the following centres were online , they appeared in Whazzup data and also are in my FIR/FIRS file,

 

Hopefully this is more information for the bug to be sorted

 

 

 

LFEE:U:FR:Reims:Upper Control:49:6.2

LFEE:L:FR:Reims:Lower Control:49:6.2

LFEE::FR:Reims:Control:49:6.2

 

LFEE_CTR:314528:Vincent Riff:ATC:128.300:48.95:4.8:0:0::::::EU2:B:5:0:6:200::::::::::::::::eu1.ts.ivao.aero/LFEE_CTR^§Reims control:20110730144123:20110730130346:IvAc:1.1.14:2:5::::::

LFFF:U:FR:Paris:Upper Control:48.4:3.2

LFFF:L:FR:Paris:Lower Control:48.4:3.2

LFFF::FR:Paris:Control:48.4:3.2:LFFF CENTRE

 

LFFF_CTR:157774:Etienne SENAMAUD:ATC:128.100:49.0128:2.55:0:0::::::EU6:B:7:0:6:200::::::::::::::::eu6.ts.ivao.aero/LFFF_CTR^§Paris Center / CHARTS => https //www.sia.aviation-civile.gouv.fr/html/frameset_aip_uk.htm:20110730132351:20110730132351:IvAc:1.1.14:2:7::::::

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