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Salut Urs, Are there 2 different formats for FSX FPL .pln ? I'm a bit lost and I'd like to understand... The following FPL "FSX_Etape2 Pau Pyrenees to Saint Girons Antichan" is given by IVAO as a FSX FPL .pln (guess IVAO staff members are serious guys when talking about FSX FPL) : [flightplan] title=LFBP to LFCG description=LFBP, LFCG type=VFR routetype=0 cruising_altitude=6500 departure_id=LFBP, N43* 22.80', W0* 25.12', +000616.00 departure_name=Pau Pyrenees destination_id=LFCG, N43* 0.47', E1* 6.18', +001376.00 destination_name=Saint Girons Antichan waypoint.0=LFBP, A, N43* 22.80', W0* 25.12', +000616.00, waypoint.1=TBO, V, N43* 19.93', E0* 8.75', -000000.00, waypoint.2=LFIM, A, N43* 6.45', E0* 37.15', +001320.00, waypoint.3=LFCG, A, N43* 0.47', E1* 6.18', +001376.00, but it's rejected by EFB when trying to load it, with the message : "the given file C:\............\FSX_Etape2 Pau Pyrenees to Saint Girons Antichan is not a valid xml file Is there a way to to make it EFB acceptable as a non xml file ? Merci

Thanks for the link provided. I didn't even know such a tool was available !! Just 2 questions : - did you encounter any trouble of any kind running Input director ? - do I need the same OS on both Pcs ? I'm currently running W7-64 on my desktop and XP-SP3 on my laptop Merci d'avance

From the EFB operations manual : "You also can create a route by entering (or copy/pasting) the ATS route description. The route description must be the format as follows where elements in curly brackets are optional : FROM{ETD} {SPDALT} {SID{.TRNS}} {Enroute} {STAR{.TRNS}} TO{ETA} {ALTN}" Yes, the ATS route description is one of the most powerful features of EFB !! AFAIK it's unique !! Congratulations to the devs !

"I too would be very interested in being able to import flight plans produced by vRoute" With the new FS9 plugin Urs will soon make available, it works fine for FS9 FPLs but it does not for FSX (might be a Vroute issue/version 1.0.7.5) to import : first export from Vroute export tab/export format field much much simpler and time saver : just copy and paste the route into the EFB "route description" field regards

Bonjour Urs, Don't know about "SimRoutes.com" "are there several different flight plan formats for FS9 ? " might be true As you can see a FPL created from within FS9 is not even accepted by EFB as described above. There might be something wrong Bonne journée

"This looks like a vroute created plan" Yes, Dave you are right ! Vroute is a pretty good tool to create FS9 valid FPLs But this is not the case for the following one I just created and saved from within FS9 : [flightplan] AppVersion=9.1.40901 title=LFBO to LFPO description=LFBO, LFPO type=IFR routetype=3 cruising_altitude=21000 departure_id=LFBO, N43* 37.16', E1* 22.30', +000499.01 departure_position=32L destination_id=LFPO, N48* 43.40', E2* 22.77', +000291.00 departure_name=Blagnac destination_name=Paris Orly waypoint.0=, LFBO, , LFBO, A, N43* 37.16', E1* 22.30', +000499.01, waypoint.1=LF, SAU, , SAU, V, N44* 40.61', W0* 9.18', +000000.00, waypoint.2=LF, BEGEL, , BEGEL, I, N48* 41.37', E1* 50.17', +000000.00, UR10 waypoint.3=LF, RBT, , RBT, V, N48* 39.24', E1* 59.65', +000000.00, UG4 waypoint.4=, LFPO, , LFPO, A, N48* 43.40', E2* 22.77', +000291.00, and once again it's rejected when I try to load it as a FS9 .pln into EFB ?? Merci

Negative Urs, I don't own FSC 8.x, so this FPL choosen among others is a "pure" FS9 fpl (.pln) All my FS9 fpl are on the same model/pattern Any other idea ? Thanks

Bonjour Urs, Here is one of my FS2004 FPL (.pln) that is rejected as described above : [flightplan] AppVersion=9.1.40901 title=EDDV Hannover to LFPO Paris Orly description=EDDV, LFPO type=IFR routetype=2 cruising_altitude=25000 departure_id=EDDV, N52* 27.61', E9* 41.01', +000183.00 departure_position=1 destination_id=LFPO, N48* 43.40', E2* 22.77', +000291.00 departure_name=Hannover destination_name=Paris Orly waypoint.0=, EDDV, , EDDV, A, N52* 27.61', E9* 41.01', +000183.00, waypoint.1=EDWW, WRB, , WRB, V, N51* 30.34', E9* 6.65', +000000.00, waypoint.2=EDFF, RANAX, , RANAX, I, N51* 12.43', E9* 2.77', +000000.00, UN850 waypoint.3=EDFF, EDEGA, , EDEGA, I, N51* 2.08', E9* 0.47', +000000.00, UN850 waypoint.4=EDFF, AMETU, , AMETU, I, N50* 49.98', E8* 57.87', +000000.00, UN850 waypoint.5=EDFF, SOGMI, , SOGMI, I, N50* 31.65', E8* 53.95', +000000.00, UN850 waypoint.6=EDFF, BOMBI, , BOMBI, I, N50* 3.40', E8* 48.02', +000000.00, UN850 waypoint.7=EDFF, FFM, , FFM, V, N50* 3.22', E8* 38.23', +000000.00, UL984 waypoint.8=EDFF, RUDUS, , RUDUS, I, N50* 2.86', E8* 4.70', +000000.00, UL984 waypoint.9=EDFF, OBIGA, , OBIGA, I, N50* 1.85', E7* 8.30', +000000.00, UL984 waypoint.10=EDFF, ADENU, , ADENU, I, N50* 1.53', E6* 54.50', +000000.00, UL984 waypoint.11=EDFF, NOSPA, , NOSPA, I, N50* 1.23', E6* 42.68', +000000.00, UL984 waypoint.12=EDFF, NTM, , NTM, V, N50* 0.95', E6* 31.91', +000000.00, UN857 waypoint.13=EDFF, RALAM, , RALAM, I, N50* 0.87', E6* 22.52', +000000.00, UN857 waypoint.14=EDFF, DIK05, , DIK05, I, N49* 55.37', E6* 13.75', +000000.00, UN857 waypoint.15=EBBU, DIK, , DIK, V, N49* 51.68', E6* 7.78', +000000.00, UN857 waypoint.16=EBBU, IDOSA, , IDOSA, I, N49* 44.50', E5* 52.19', +000000.00, UN857 waypoint.17=EBBU, TOLVU, , TOLVU, I, N49* 37.52', E5* 22.30', +000000.00, UN857 waypoint.18=LFFF, RAPOR, , RAPOR, I, N49* 35.48', E5* 12.78', +000000.00, UN857 waypoint.19=LFFF, RENSA, , RENSA, I, N49* 31.98', E4* 53.13', +000000.00, UN857 waypoint.20=, LFPO, , LFPO, A, N48* 43.40', E2* 22.77', +000291.00, hope this will help Merci

Hi, Great job you've done Urs with 1.2.0 ! Bravo ! Just a question : when loading a saved FS2004 FPL (.pln) from "Select a route type" window I just get : "le format de la chaîne d'entrée est incorrect" + "FP not valid" Any idea ? Thanks

Yes, very attractive but also very confusing, at least for me !! Could you please provide the proper "how to proceed" checklist to add SIDSTARs to VHHX. Many thanks

Salut Urs et Travis, OK LFHU 3ft rwy length is too short to be accepted as a "real" rwy. Anyone can understand that... But what about LFLJ 33ft rwy length ? Is that long enough to be accepted as it is ? (LLH told me FSX does not know what a sloped rwy is. It is therefore necessary to cheat when programming scenery) "It could be that a possible future" yes Travis there were enough hedges in that sentence to allow you ...

Hi Harry, Guess you did not run DP FSX Scenery data update after current AIRAC installation... Have a try and let us know ! Don't worry it's a common mistake at the very beginning... Regards ;)

Hi Ian, Guess you did not run DP FSX Scenery data update after current AIRAC installation... Have a try and let us know ! EGCC SIDs and STARs should work fine Don't worry it's a common mistake at the very beginning... Regards

Thanks very much to both of you Understand you're very busy with the upcoming version release ! In other words, as my request is not that important, please consider I'm not expecting a quick answer. Did I see something abnormal in the logfile when running FSX scenery data update after LLH/LFHU scenery installation ? AFAIK I did not ! "am I correct in that LFHU does not have any non-sloped runways?" Yes you are Travis, the single LFHU rwy is 15.5% sloped. I do not have the utility you are talking about (Airport Design Editor) because I'm still very confused with the FSX SDK installation required to run it. The LFHU information I can see from the FSX map is : lat 45°05.31' lon 006°05.15' elev 4921ft rwy 24 lenght 3ft rwy 06 lenght 3ft surface nil the rwy length is really short !! is that due to the strong slope ? ? I just made a comparison with LFLJ (single rwy 18.6% sloped) : lat 45°23.90' lon 006°37.63' elev 6420ft rwy 22 lenght 33ft rwy 04 lenght 33ft surface nil Despite the 33ft rwy length LFLJ is well present into EFB database after LLH/LFLJ scenery installation Hope this will help

Hi Urs & Travis I'd like to understand why LFHU is missing into EFB data-base (see post just above) Many Thanks

Just to let you know : Ruoms-Labeaume LFHF is no longer missing into my EFB airport data-base. This entry (that is not part of FSX airport base list but comes from the "Occitania VFR" free add-on) was missing untill now just because I forgot to run the DP FSX scenery data update. Since I know that I try not to forget to run the DP FSX scenery data update after any new scenery installation. That's what I did for the following airports : - Albertville LKLA (not in FSX base list/comes from a LLH free scenery) is well present into EFB airport data-base. Fine ! - L'Alpe d'Huez altiport LFHU (not in FSX base list/comes from a LLH payware scenery) is not present into EFB airport data-base but well present into wpNavAPT.txt and FSX Strange isn't it ? Any idea ? Current AIRAC Cycle : 1011 (21/OCT/2010 - 17/NOV/2010) - Rev.1 For those of you who like french altiports (Courchevel/Alpe d'Huez...). Go and visit LLH site : http://www.llhinfo.com/produits.html

Thanks very much Oskar, Can you please confirm (or not) the triple-mix INS nav system (CIVA) we are using with Concorde includes the internal table you are talking about ? And for my information, how do they proceed in real life beyond 70N/65S ? I would be glad to know a little bit more about that. Best regards Jean-Louis

Salut Urs, What can I do to keep the upper part of any chart visible all the time ? The one with all the information related to type of chart, elevation, coordinates, frequencies, etc... Same small problem with the route setup window : the upper part is not present all the time. It happens to disappear without any apparent reason. Of course it's quite easy to make these parts visible again by down-dragging the separation line with the 3 dots provided. I just wonder why it's disappearing and if there is a way to have them visible all the time ? Merci d'avance

Salut Urs, "I assume that both settings for the flight log's folder are pointing to the same physical location" Affirm ! "Try to change the flight log's path from one DisplayUnit to another folder" Did it and now it works far better, this "bl..." error message has gone ! Merci beaucoup

Bonjour Urs, "the target path is on another computer than EFB DisplayUnit is running" : correct. As I told you this message only occurs on the remote computer not on the local one. To be more precise I run DU on both PCs : I set my route on the local PC before flying and I check it on the remote one while flying. It means both DU are running when flying : one hidden (local PC) as a kind of backup and the other one visible (remote PC) Are the access rights sufficient for "write"? I think they are but how can I make sure about that ? Did you change the folders settings only recently ? No I didn't. This error message has been occuring for a long time. Merci de ton aide

Hi Travis, "I'm shy when it comes to running unknown EXEs on my FSX computer...." I do understand that because so am I... but I think you can trust those guys from Occitnia VFR. BTW, looking closely to your viaduc de Millau.jpg I think some important upper parts of the viaduc are missing.... Please find attached one of mine (hope it will work) Best regards

Bonjour Urs, Thanks for your assistance. "Can you give me some further information about the moment when the problem happens?" Yes, I confirm it happens at the end of a flight "If the dialog "Unhandled exception ..." is presented, could you please send me the content of the text which is attached to the box?" : Here it is : See the end of this message for details on invoking just-in-time (JIT) debugging instead of this dialog box. ************** Exception Text ************** System.Exception: Access to the path '\\Jlldesktop\users\Jean-Louis\Documents\AivlaSoft\EFB\UserData\FlightLogs\LFMK_LFDT_20100929_0850.pdf' is denied. at DevExpress.XtraPrinting.PSMessageBox.ShowException(String text, String caption, UserLookAndFeel lookAndFeel) at DevExpress.XtraPrinting.PSMessageBox.ShowException(String text, UserLookAndFeel lookAndFeel) at DevExpress.XtraPrinting.Native.FileExportCreator.CreateFileStream(String path) at DevExpress.XtraPrinting.Native.FileExportCreator.Export(IExporter exporter, String path, ExportOptionsBase options) at DevExpress.XtraPrinting.PrintingSystem.ExportToPdf(String filePath) at ko.a(String A_0) at ko.a(FlightLog A_0) at ko.f() at ko.c(FlightLog A_0) at i7.d(Byte[] A_0) at nk.b() at li.a(bd A_0) at ew.a(Object A_0) ************** Loaded Assemblies ************** mscorlib Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0 Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.3615 (GDR.050727-3600) CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/Microsoft.NET/Framework/v2.0.50727/mscorlib.dll ---------------------------------------- AivlaSoft.Efb.DisplayUnit Assembly Version: 1.1.0.23866 Win32 Version: 1.1.0.0 CodeBase: file:///C:/Program%20Files/AivlaSoft/EFB/AivlaSoft.Efb.DisplayUnit.exe ---------------------------------------- log4net Assembly Version: 1.2.10.0 Win32 Version: 1.2.10.0 CodeBase: file:///C:/Program%20Files/AivlaSoft/EFB/log4net.DLL ---------------------------------------- System.Windows.Forms Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0 Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.3053 (netfxsp.050727-3000) CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Windows.Forms/2.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.Windows.Forms.dll ---------------------------------------- System Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0 Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.3614 (GDR.050727-3600) CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System/2.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.dll ---------------------------------------- System.Drawing Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0 Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.3053 (netfxsp.050727-3000) CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Drawing/2.0.0.0__b03f5f7f11d50a3a/System.Drawing.dll ---------------------------------------- DevExpress.Utils.v9.1 Assembly Version: 9.1.4.0 Win32 Version: 9.1.4.0 CodeBase: file:///C:/Program%20Files/AivlaSoft/EFB/DevExpress.Utils.v9.1.DLL ---------------------------------------- Rhino.Commons Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0 Win32 Version: 2.0.0.1414 CodeBase: file:///C:/Program%20Files/AivlaSoft/EFB/Rhino.Commons.DLL ---------------------------------------- Castle.Windsor Assembly Version: 1.0.3.0 Win32 Version: 1.0.3.5114 CodeBase: file:///C:/Program%20Files/AivlaSoft/EFB/Castle.Windsor.DLL ---------------------------------------- Castle.Core Assembly Version: 1.0.3.0 Win32 Version: 1.0.3.5114 CodeBase: file:///C:/Program%20Files/AivlaSoft/EFB/Castle.Core.DLL ---------------------------------------- Castle.MicroKernel Assembly Version: 1.0.3.0 Win32 Version: 1.0.3.5114 CodeBase: file:///C:/Program%20Files/AivlaSoft/EFB/Castle.MicroKernel.DLL ---------------------------------------- System.Configuration Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0 Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.3053 (netfxsp.050727-3000) CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Configuration/2.0.0.0__b03f5f7f11d50a3a/System.Configuration.dll ---------------------------------------- System.Xml Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0 Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.3082 (QFE.050727-3000) CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Xml/2.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.Xml.dll ---------------------------------------- System.Core Assembly Version: 3.5.0.0 Win32 Version: 3.5.30729.1 built by: SP CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Core/3.5.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.Core.dll ---------------------------------------- AivlaSoft.Efb.Common Assembly Version: 1.1.0.23864 Win32 Version: 1.1.0.0 CodeBase: file:///C:/Program%20Files/AivlaSoft/EFB/AivlaSoft.Efb.Common.DLL ---------------------------------------- DevExpress.Data.v9.1 Assembly Version: 9.1.4.0 Win32 Version: 9.1.4.0 CodeBase: file:///C:/Program%20Files/AivlaSoft/EFB/DevExpress.Data.v9.1.DLL ---------------------------------------- DevExpress.XtraEditors.v9.1 Assembly Version: 9.1.4.0 Win32 Version: 9.1.4.0 CodeBase: file:///C:/Program%20Files/AivlaSoft/EFB/DevExpress.XtraEditors.v9.1.DLL ---------------------------------------- Rhino.Commons.Clr Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0 Win32 Version: 2.0.0.1414 CodeBase: file:///C:/Program%20Files/AivlaSoft/EFB/Rhino.Commons.Clr.DLL ---------------------------------------- System.Web Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0 Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.3614 (GDR.050727-3600) CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_32/System.Web/2.0.0.0__b03f5f7f11d50a3a/System.Web.dll ---------------------------------------- Castle.DynamicProxy2 Assembly Version: 2.0.3.0 Win32 Version: 2.0.3.5114 CodeBase: file:///C:/Program%20Files/AivlaSoft/EFB/Castle.DynamicProxy2.DLL ---------------------------------------- System.Data Assembly Version: 2.0.0.0 Win32 Version: 2.0.50727.3053 (netfxsp.050727-3000) CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/assembly/GAC_32/System.Data/2.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.Data.dll ---------------------------------------- DevExpress.XtraGrid.v9.1 Assembly Version: 9.1.4.0 Win32 Version: 9.1.4.0 CodeBase: file:///C:/Program%20Files/AivlaSoft/EFB/DevExpress.XtraGrid.v9.1.DLL ---------------------------------------- DevExpress.XtraRichEdit.v9.1 Assembly Version: 9.1.4.0 Win32 Version: 9.1.4.0 CodeBase: file:///C:/Program%20Files/AivlaSoft/EFB/DevExpress.XtraRichEdit.v9.1.DLL ---------------------------------------- AivlaSoft.Efb.ClippingLibrary Assembly Version: 1.0.1.24467 Win32 Version: 1.0.1.* CodeBase: file:///C:/Program%20Files/AivlaSoft/EFB/AivlaSoft.Efb.ClippingLibrary.DLL ---------------------------------------- DevExpress.XtraPrinting.v9.1 Assembly Version: 9.1.4.0 Win32 Version: 9.1.4.0 CodeBase: file:///C:/Program%20Files/AivlaSoft/EFB/DevExpress.XtraPrinting.v9.1.DLL Hope this will help Best regards

Thanks Oskar for the information provided related to déclinaison/declination/variation. "in the US there are many MAJOR airport VORs with a Station Declination Error as big as 4-5°!! (ORD, JFK etc.)" Is such an error a real danger in terms of navigation ? "the actual variation which influences any earth magnetic derived compass system (icluding all GPS/INS based systems who use a tabulated variation value)" I know what is INS and how it works but I don't know about "GPS/INS using tabulated variation value" AFAIK, an INS system gives information with respect to the TRUE north. In other words INS doesn't care about the current declination wherever the flight takes place. Regards

Hi Travis, Yes you're right: my LFHF entry comes from an FSX addon (freeware) I strongly recommand "Occitania VFR" : http://occitania.gratisim.fr/fs/fsx.htm Great/excellent job from the devs that covers a pretty nice and large part of France (SW) with a lot of details and nice/funny animations. - Occitania VFR beta 6 (executable) is the base on which you may add beta 6 update1 + beta 6 update 2 - beta 6 update 1 adds new airports (LFCR/LFIG/LFBS) + LFNB (revision) + some hydrabases HFBS/HBLC - beta 6 update 2 adds 5 new airports LFHA/LFHL/LFHO/LFHF (that one was not in the list of FSX)/LFIF I'm afraid all of that stuff is french understandable language. But in case you need any help I would be glad to help. Classical FSX installation : folder contents to copy/paste in the respective FSX folders. Despite I'm not that good with scenery installation I did it ! "c'est-vous-dire" I also strongly recommand a helo flight from LFCM to discover this rather recent masterpiece of architectural art that is "Le viaduc de Millau": after takoff hdg NNW following the highway (10NM). Enjoy your flight ! Best regards

Hi, How can I get rid of the following message that is very much frequent on my remote PC : Window title : EFB Display Unit-Settings "Unhandled exception has occured in your application....If you click continue.... Access to the path : "\\name of local PC\users\Jean-Louis\Documents\AivlaSoft\EFB\UserDat\FlightLogs\name of active currrent route" is denied The incriminated path is pretty well set/declared within "Folders an links" tab of the remote PC settings There should be a trick for sure !! Many thanks