airport missing

[ontheair]

Hi

 

Ruoms-Labeaume LFHF grass rwy 630x60 m is missing into EFB airport data-base (Airac 1009) but well present into wpNavAPT.txt and FSX ! Tried to add it in the rwy.txt with no success :

 

LFHF 18 18

LFHF 36 36

 

Any idea ?

 

Best regards

 

https://www.sia.aviation-civile.gouv.fr ... 2.LFHF.pdf

[GG_Flyer]

Hello Jean-Louis,

 

I do not have LFHF in my list of FSX airports, so it does not appear in my EFB list either.

[attachment=0]no-lfhf.jpg[/attachment]

If I'm correct, an FSX airport that also has a wpNavAPT.txt entry should be visible in an EFB list. So is your entry an add-on?? If so, I'd like to find it and add it myself.

 

Editing the runways.txt file is only needed if there is an FSX entry and a Navigraph SIDSTARS file that disagrees on runway IDs.

[ontheair]

Hi Travis,

 

Yes you're right: my LFHF entry comes from an FSX addon (freeware) I strongly recommand "Occitania VFR" :

 

http://occitania.gratisim.fr/fs/fsx.htm

 

Great/excellent job from the devs that covers a pretty nice and large part of France (SW) with a lot of details and nice/funny animations.

 

- Occitania VFR beta 6 (executable) is the base on which you may add beta 6 update1 + beta 6 update 2

 

- beta 6 update 1 adds new airports (LFCR/LFIG/LFBS) + LFNB (revision) + some hydrabases HFBS/HBLC

 

- beta 6 update 2 adds 5 new airports LFHA/LFHL/LFHO/LFHF (that one was not in the list of FSX)/LFIF

 

I'm afraid all of that stuff is french understandable language. But in case you need any help I would be glad to help.

 

Classical FSX installation : folder contents to copy/paste in the respective FSX folders. Despite I'm not that good with scenery installation I did it ! "c'est-vous-dire"

 

I also strongly recommand a helo flight from LFCM to discover this rather recent masterpiece of architectural art that is "Le viaduc de Millau": after takoff hdg NNW following the highway (10NM).

 

Enjoy your flight ! Best regards

[GG_Flyer]

Jean-Louis,

 

First, thank you for the link to the new scenery!! I'm shy when it comes to running unknown EXEs on my FSX computer, but I did extract from the ZIPped updates LFHF and a few more treasures. [i will extract from the EXE sometime this weekend.]

 

I borrowed the company Caravan and flew from LFHF to LFCM for some breakfast, and I'm happy to report that the viaduct does indeed look a marvel. I hope this crude snapshot does it small justice:

[attachment=0]viaduc-de-Millau.jpg[/attachment]

As for your question about the runways.txt file, here are the values that I used to have it work with AIRAC 1010:

 

LFHF 19 18
LFHF 01 36

 

With best regards,

[ontheair]

Hi Travis,

 

"I'm shy when it comes to running unknown EXEs on my FSX computer...." I do understand that because so am I... but I think you can trust those guys from Occitnia VFR.

 

BTW, looking closely to your viaduc de Millau.jpg I think some important upper parts of the viaduc are missing....

 

Please find attached one of mine (hope it will work)

 

Best regards

[ontheair]

Just to let you know :

 

Ruoms-Labeaume LFHF is no longer missing into my EFB airport data-base. This entry (that is not part of FSX airport base list but comes from the "Occitania VFR" free add-on) was missing untill now just because I forgot to run the DP FSX scenery data update.

 

Since I know that I try not to forget to run the DP FSX scenery data update after any new scenery installation. That's what I did for the following airports :

 

- Albertville LKLA (not in FSX base list/comes from a LLH free scenery) is well present into EFB airport data-base. Fine !

 

- L'Alpe d'Huez altiport LFHU (not in FSX base list/comes from a LLH payware scenery) is not present into EFB airport data-base but well present into wpNavAPT.txt and FSX

 

Strange isn't it ? Any idea ?

 

Current AIRAC Cycle : 1011 (21/OCT/2010 - 17/NOV/2010) - Rev.1

 

For those of you who like french altiports (Courchevel/Alpe d'Huez...). Go and visit LLH site :

 

http://www.llhinfo.com/produits.html

 

[ontheair]

Hi Urs & Travis

 

I'd like to understand why LFHU is missing into EFB data-base (see post just above)

 

Many Thanks

[aivlasoft]

Jean-Louis,

 

sorry for the late answer ... we're very busy due to the release of the upcoming version 1.2.0.

 

After installing the airport LFHU you did a "FSX scenery data update", didn't you? Maybe you still have the logfiles of that session from the DataProvider? Can you see something strange in it?

[GG_Flyer]

Jean-Louis,

 

I did some checking a few days ago, but I've been busy helping Urs with the English manuals and I sort of forgot... mille excuses! (That's the extent of what I remember from my University French - a phrase that I used quite often with girls decades ago. )

 

That scenery looks quite wonderful, and since I do not have it, I will have to ask a few questions. First and foremost, I see a greatly sloped runway in many screenshots - am I correct in that LFHU does not have any non-sloped runways?

 

Do you have a utility (such as Airport Design Editor?) that would allow you to open the airport's BGL and read some details about runway 6/24's position / width / length / altitude? If so could you send that data to us... in a PM if you like.

 

I am only speculating here - my initial thoughts are that the designers could have used a techinque that could cause EFB to judge LFHU as not a viable airport. But to move beyond assuming "what could be," Urs would need some data from the scenery.

 

With regards,

[ontheair]

Thanks very much to both of you

 

Understand you're very busy with the upcoming version release ! In other words, as my request is not that important, please consider I'm not expecting a quick answer.

 

Did I see something abnormal in the logfile when running FSX scenery data update after LLH/LFHU scenery installation ? AFAIK I did not !

 

"am I correct in that LFHU does not have any non-sloped runways?" Yes you are Travis, the single LFHU rwy is 15.5% sloped.

 

I do not have the utility you are talking about (Airport Design Editor) because I'm still very confused with the FSX SDK installation required to run it.

 

The LFHU information I can see from the FSX map is :

 

lat 45°05.31'

lon 006°05.15'

elev 4921ft

rwy 24 lenght 3ft

rwy 06 lenght 3ft

surface nil

 

the rwy length is really short !! is that due to the strong slope ? ?

 

I just made a comparison with LFLJ (single rwy 18.6% sloped) :

 

lat 45°23.90'

lon 006°37.63'

elev 6420ft

rwy 22 lenght 33ft

rwy 04 lenght 33ft

surface nil

 

Despite the 33ft rwy length LFLJ is well present into EFB database after LLH/LFLJ scenery installation

 

Hope this will help

[GG_Flyer]

Jean-Louis,

 

I think that could be the issue, but will defer to Urs to "make the call" about it.

 

A 3ft long runway may intrude on the logic that allows EFB to ignore "crosswind runways." If that's the case, EFB may see an airport with no real runway.

 

Regards,

[aivlasoft]

Salut Jean-Louis,

 

it's like Travis already said: the runway length is too short to be accepted as a "real" runway.

[GG_Flyer]

Jean-Louis,

 

It could be that a possible future (post 1.2.0) version of EFB could allow for some mechanism that might allow the "too short" rule to be overridden for specific circumstances - which might allow LFHU to be rendered somewhat correctly in EFB.

 

I hope there were enough hedges in that sentence to allow even me to wiggle out of anything....

 

Regards,

[ontheair]

Salut Urs et Travis,

 

OK LFHU 3ft rwy length is too short to be accepted as a "real" rwy. Anyone can understand that...

 

But what about LFLJ 33ft rwy length ? Is that long enough to be accepted as it is ?

 

(LLH told me FSX does not know what a sloped rwy is. It is therefore necessary to cheat when programming scenery)

 

"It could be that a possible future" yes Travis there were enough hedges in that sentence to allow you ...