working with IVAO

[I-DAMG]

Sto riscontrando alcuni problemi con IVAO. Non vedo mai dove finisce l'area di controllo se entra un controller dopo l'avvio di EFB2. Cosa dovrei fare? Inoltre, come posso ottenere le frequenze su cui i controller IVAO sono sintonizzati sul client EFB2?

[aivlasoft]

Hello ???

According to the forum rules, please write your post in ENGLISH and also please sign your post with your real first name. Thanks.

[I-DAMG]

Hello,

sorry I don't know because the post has been published in Italian, sorry.

I am having some problems with IVAO. I never see where the control area ends up if it enters a controller after EFB2 intervenes. What should I do? Also, how can I get the frequencies that the IVAO controller are tuned to on the EFB2 client?

 

Davide

[aivlasoft]

Hi Davide,

10 hours ago, I-DAMG said:

I never see where the control area ends up if it enters a controller after EFB2 intervenes. What should I do?

I'm not sure whether I understand the problem. Do you mean that you cannot see where the FIR boundary is?

 

10 hours ago, I-DAMG said:

Also, how can I get the frequencies that the IVAO controller are tuned to on the EFB2 client?

Just open the Radio panel.

 

[I-DAMG]

10 hours ago, aivlasoft said:

Hi Davide,

I'm not sure whether I understand the problem. Do you mean that you cannot see where the FIR boundary is?

That's right, I don't see FIR boundaries. It never updates. I only see the boundaries that are active at the time I start EFB2.

10 hours ago, aivlasoft said:

Just open the Radio panel.

In what sense on the radio panel?

 

[aivlasoft]

Could you please provide a set of support files, and upload it here? Maybe I can then see the cause for not updating the online data.

[aivlasoft]

Here you can see how the FIR boundaries will be depicted (e.g. LOVV CTR). EFB only depicts the ACTIVE FIRs, for which a controller has been logged in. On this screenshot you can also see that "LIPZ Approach" is manned.

You also can see the Radio Panel and the frequencies active around YOUR AIRCRAFT.

On the Status panel you see "IVAO" which means EFB is connected with IVAO.

Connection with the online network must be manually selected from the Client settings, "General settings".

 

[I-DAMG]

Hello attached the support file.

The server file have a problem with the upload, for the size.

This is the link for download the files from WeTransfer https://we.tl/t-FcH1U3ucGs

Client_202003111810.txt.zip

[aivlasoft]

Hi Davide,

I have removed an old attachment so your quota now allows to upload the Server's support file. Could you please upload it here? Thanks.

[I-DAMG]

See attached.

Thanks

Server_202003111819.txt.zip Client_202003111819.txt.zip

[aivlasoft]

Hi Davide,

thanks for uploading the files. Unfortunately there is no error or warning logged in these files so I don't have a clue what's going on.

Don't you really see any FIR boundaries when you pan around the map at a lower zoom level, and is there no Radio Frequency listed (except UNICOM) if you place your aircraft at an airport which is 'online'? Remember, EFB is only displaying FIR boundaries which are active (controller logged in to one of the FIR services).

 

[I-DAMG]

Hi, I only see aerospace the moment I start the EFB. If a controller connects after starting EFB, I don't see this controller anywhere.

See the image in this link (I always have problems inserting the second attachment) https://we.tl/t-VIwGgZBwSM

 

 

[aivlasoft]

Hi Davide,

thanks for this screenshot. At least it shows that the download and depiction basically works.

Some further information about how it works:

- updates are done every 2 minutes. This can lead to some delay in showing active FIR boundaries compared with WebEye

- the boundaries definition file unfortunately is not up-to-date. I have not yet found a new one. This can also lead to differences between EFB and WebEye.

 

I have increased the attachment limits so you can upload the second screenshot here.

[I-DAMG]

Thanks I have added the Webeye in the previous post.

So there is no solution to my "problem"?

[aivlasoft]

Thanks for the additional screenshot.

I guess that the definition file is outdated and therefore some of the currently logged in controllers (as seen on WebEye) can no longer be assigned to the proper boundaries. Therefore the boundaries remain invisible in EFB.

A solution would be to get an up-to-date definition file from IVAO, but I'm not a member with IVAO and therefore I have no access to their webspace. As to my knowledge they also don't have an official place where one can download such a file. On VATSIM they have created a project on GitHub and so everyone can download the latest definition files from there, which is very user-friendly.

[I-DAMG]

On the IVAo forum, they answered me like this when I asked where can I find these definition file updated:

 

"Info about controllers online is available to get in whazzup file: http://api.ivao.aero/getdata/whazzup/whazzup.txt

When you know that given controller is online => the program should display the highlighted FIR boundary.
But boundary are not available via whazzup file. For example they can be easily taken from AIRAC files and display on the map window.
That's all about this "problem".

So, I still don't understand what is the problem you are writing about- with the reading/converting the FIR boundaries from AIRAC files?
Or with something else?

Regards,
Piotr

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Maybe you are looking for these data: http://xa.forum.ivao.aero/index.php?topic=216739.0 ?  
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[aivlasoft]

Hi Piotr,

 

thank you for your information, but unfortunately it's not that easy like you might think.

 

To be able to depict the currently manned FIR boundaries and airport services, EFB requires three different data sources:

1. FIR boundaries (list of geographical coordinates)
2. Live data about active controllers (whazzup status)
3. Definition file

 

EFB already has data 1 and 2 (and an outdated 3)

The so called "definition file" is the missing link between the FIR boundaries (1) and the whazzup-status (2).
Controllers can login with different callsigns for a certain FIR (or airport) service and therefore the "definitions file" is mandatory, because only there the assignments are defined.

 

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Info about controllers online is available to get in whazzup file: http://api.ivao.aero/getdata/whazzup/whazzup.txt

That's what EFB is already doing since years.

 

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So, I still don't understand what is the problem you are writing about- with the reading/converting the FIR boundaries from AIRAC files?

FIR boundaries are not part of the ARINC data, and therefore cannot just be easily taken from there, FIR boundaries must be found elsewhere. The FIR boundaries are not the missing data, the missing data is the definitions file (see above).

 

2 hours ago, I-DAMG said:

Maybe you are looking for these data: http://xa.forum.ivao.aero/index.php?topic=216739.0 ?  

As you might have read, I'm not a member with IVAO and therefore I cannot access their forum.

 

[I-DAMG]

Hello,

Below a new update by IVAO Team:

1) The developers haven't got time to read the forum, because they're still working on the new audio system for IVAO
2) If such common person like me (I'm not a developer) is able to find out and understand how this system works - that means every is able, it's only question of time and patience.
3) You can say to AIVLA that everything including required databases is available on https://webeye.ivao.aero page,
and login to the Webeye page is not necessary (in general it gives access to Friends list and Settings),
The AIVLA guys are professional developers, so I think - the code analyzing and data extraction take them lesser time then me.

[aivlasoft]

3 hours ago, I-DAMG said:

2) If such common person like me (I'm not a developer) is able to find out and understand how this system works - that means every is able, it's only question of time and patience.

I have understand this system already years ago, how otherwise EFB would have been able to provide 'online' data for a long time ???  Because I have understand the system, I know what is missing (see my post above).

 

3 hours ago, I-DAMG said:

3) You can say to AIVLA that everything including required databases is available on https://webeye.ivao.aero page,

Very interesting, but unfortunately I cannot see how I should be able to get the above mentioned 'definitions file' via the WebEye page. The page source does not contain a complete list of all possible ATC callsigns, nor does it provide the data for the FIR boundaries. Without an API which would allow to extract such data, it's not possible, but maybe I'm just too stupid.

 

 

 

[I-DAMG]

2 hours ago, aivlasoft said:

3 hours ago, I-DAMG said:

2) If such common person like me (I'm not a developer) is able to find out and understand how this system works - that means every is able, it's only question of time and patience.

I have understand this system already years ago, how otherwise EFB would have been able to provide 'online' data for a long time ???  Because I have understand the system, I know what is missing (see my post above).

I think the first two points were addressed to me and not to the AIVLA Development Team, sorry.

 

2 hours ago, aivlasoft said:

3 hours ago, I-DAMG said:

3) You can say to AIVLA that everything including required databases is available on https://webeye.ivao.aero page,

Very interesting, but unfortunately I cannot see how I should be able to get the above mentioned 'definitions file' via the WebEye page. The page source does not contain a complete list of all possible ATC callsigns, nor does it provide the data for the FIR boundaries. Without an API which would allow to extract such data, it's not possible, but maybe I'm just too stupid.

Honestly, I didn't understand what webeye had to do with the FIR limit. They keep telling me that the physical limits of FIR are those of AIRAC, but otherwise I don't understand why they are so keen to give clear and easy-going answers to the various developers.

 

Now I will try to run in this topic http://xa.forum.ivao.aero/index.php?topic=216739.0  to see if there are some clearer infomartions about it (it seems that other people are "complaining" about what has been reported)