christophe83 Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 Hi all the runway 11-29 LFBD does not appear on the map client . I update airac 1807 Navigraph fmsdata ok. someone can help me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonewulf47 Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 1 hour ago, christophe83 said: Hi all the runway 11-29 LFBD does not appear on the map client . I update airac 1807 Navigraph fmsdata ok. someone can help me Well, to be honest, that's a bit strange. I can see it depicted from default data of P3D v4.3. Can you please check with the (i) button (just right of the "Airports" button) what it says under add-on and File Furthermore press Ctrl + Alt + A and look whether the ARINC Database shows both runways? To me it looks as if there were any kind of add-on which has not all runways included. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timonier Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 Hi confirm the Oskar's words. runway 11-29 is well present on EFB Client build#70 and EFB Server build#52. Best Regards Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpha117 Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 Hmm, I have the same issue, even after a DB rebuild with this morning update. EFB shows this: DB shows this Airport AFCAD show the correct runways Little NavMap show the correct runways and also shows the BGL files that have reference to LFBD(and show the correct layer order) ProATC/X also show correct runways So, lost on this one to be honest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timonier Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 Hi Clive, Strange indeed. Below that's what I've. Running W10 64 bits and EFB Server and Client running as Administrator. P3Dv4.3 and AIRAC 1807 also. Original scenery for LFBD from P3Dv4.3. Best Regards Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpha117 Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 Hi Marc Yep, very strange, but both runways are in the scenery and the scenery looks OK Still the same when SIm is connected Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpha117 Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 Question: is it because I have 11/29 closed?? Here is my R5.CSV entry LFBD,0050,44.819118,-0.728989,166,46.420,10165,0,148,-1.000,44.828903,-0.714988,0,, LFBD,0110,44.831547,-0.729249,166,107.450,7915,0,148,-1.000,44.828472,-0.714570,0,CT,CL LFBD,0230,44.838688,-0.700987,166,226.420,10165,110.30BDG,148,-1.000,44.828903,-0.714988,0,, LFBD,0290,44.825397,-0.699890,166,287.450,7915,111.15BDG,148,-1.000,44.828472,-0.714570,0,CT,CL ProATC/X shows this also ? If that is the case, then Closed runways should still be displayed but referenced as closed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpha117 Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 Yep, that is the issue So, this has a massive potential issue to be honest, but only at AFCAD level. If you are updating the AFCAD to reflect real world operations and also making sure that AI use the correct runway, then EFB display of the airport will be incorrect, as seen in this example. Off the top of my head the same issue will be at LIRF and probably quiet a few other airports around the world. Urs, maybe if EFB see 'CT AND CL' during the DB build it could change the runway box to RED and still display it?? Next question : what if runway is only closed for landing (CL)..will it display then, also what about preferential runways that are set? Maybe Green: Preferred runway Orange: normal operations RED: Closed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonewulf47 Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 EBF only interpretes the BGL's. The BGL with the topmost priority will be drawn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpha117 Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 correct, that's not the issue though look at the R5 data this is what EFB sees from the BGL when it builds the DB and I have just proved that in this little test Look at my little map screenshot, what is the top most BGL file that has airport data? What BGL do you think I have just had to change to get the runway to appear, with a NEW DB build? I didn't have to rerun makerunways to achieve this, as EFB does not use that data, so it was very quick to prove the issue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonewulf47 Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 Set EFB to the airport in question and press the (i) button. This will provide all information on the used BGL for Ground Mapping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpha117 Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 Does this BGL hold airport data, pull it into ADE and have a look....it's blank which is correct. the BGL that contains the airport data is the one that comes with the scenery, hence if you make changes to that one then EFB collates that data, again which is correct. Again, all I had to do was to 'open' the runway in the scenery AFCAD make the changes and EFB finds it and displays it correctly on new DB build. So, this issue is not where EFB is getting the data (its all correct BTW) it how it is dealing with it when it finds it. This can be fixed, quiet easily by Urs in a future update, if he so wishes So, explain why the runways are now displayed correctly and I did not have to change the BGL in the screenshot(LFBD.BGL)? Look at how Little Nav Map displays ALL the BGLs that contain the airport, and how it put them in scenery order. fantastic for debugging and fixing user issues. FSCaptian does the same kind of thing, but just diplays the BGL that is used for airport data. So there are ways of making it helpful not just for the user but for support staff as well. It looks like EFB currently show the 'top' BGL that has that airport, again not an issue, as what you see in this screenshot, might change going forwrd in what data this BGL will hold and 'override' the scenery BGL, hence it is at the top of the scenery list already as it holds relevant data that overrides the other BGL data. As I've said already this is a potential issue but only for 'high end' users, 30 years ago they were very few, but today they are getting more and more and their expectations get greater and greater, they want all the 'real world' stuff, but this comes at a cost and increase in development time. All I have done is looked at a users issue, can I replicate that issue, yes I can. Then find out why, and also how to fix it and come up with a potential solution that could work, if Urs so wishes, there may be a better,easier solution,or none at all that is down to Urs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aivlasoft Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 I have had a look into the source code and I can confirm that a runway which has none of the following flags set, will not be depicted (flags: primary landing, secondary landing, primary takeoff, secondary takeoff). How comes? During development we were faced with scenery that contains "fake" runways (for whatever reason) which had all the above mentioned flags set to "false". In other words, there were runways which were defined to not allow takeoffs, and not allow landings. Does it make sense to depict a runway which cannot be used in any way? Therefore we decided to not depict such runways. If I understand the above described problem correctly, then the same flags are now used for the purpose of "steering" AI traffic. Am I right? What we experience here seems to be a historically grown problem. As you wrote, the expectations of the users are getting more and more, but unfortunately the underlying BGL was never designed for all these different requirements. As a result of this, every developer is finding its own solution on how to achieve the goals for its add-on by setting and interpreting these flags "as he likes". So the question (from EFB's point of view) is, how to distinguish between the same flags but in different add-ons? How do I know when should a runway be depicted although all flags are OFF, and when should the runway NOT be depicted, while all these flags are set OFF? What is the indication of a valid and a non-valid runway if all flags are identical? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpha117 Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 Urs, I'm afraid I'm going to leave this problem for you and your team to resolve or leave as is, as your Moderator seems to be getting slightly agitated in another thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayProudfoot Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 I agree with Urs’s view on this missing runway problem. The Aerosoft LPPT is another that has a extra 03/21 runway added ( via a 3rd party fix) to make the PAPI lights visible. A bug in P3D causes some PAPI lights to disappear when a few miles out. The fix solves this problem but if EFB were to show all runways including those that have both ends set to closed it would make the map look a mess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christophe83 Posted July 5, 2018 Author Share Posted July 5, 2018 Thank you all for your research and answers. My side of the scene LFBD France vfr is compatible p3dv3 and works very well with EFBv1 we can see the two runways 23-05 and 11-29. under p3dv4.3 with the same scene EFB1 there is only a runway 05-23 that appears. I send you a photo with the runway utilization percentage. runway 11-29 is still used on Bordeaux so it's a shame that it does not appear with EFBv2 ... someone to the solution to help me thank you very much to all you are great ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christophe83 Posted July 5, 2018 Author Share Posted July 5, 2018 why it works for Alpha117 and Timonier how did they do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timonier Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 Hello Christophe, Do you've a special scenery installed for Bordeaux on P3Dv4.3 ? For me I've only the original scenery of P3Dv4.3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christophe83 Posted July 5, 2018 Author Share Posted July 5, 2018 Hello Timonier ? I have just the airport of LFBD (bordeaux) of France VFR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christophe83 Posted July 5, 2018 Author Share Posted July 5, 2018 W10 64bits P3DV4.3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpha117 Posted July 5, 2018 Share Posted July 5, 2018 Guys, I think this thread has run its course and Urs along with Ray agree this is how it should be in EFB. So now that everyone is aware that there will be airports that will not be correctly displayed in EFB, this does not now come as a surprise. Everyone now moves on, and does not dwell on this small issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christophe83 Posted July 5, 2018 Author Share Posted July 5, 2018 Hi guy's Ok I found the solution I had the version 1.01 of France vfr LFBD, I bought the new version 1.02 and everything is ok now. 1 day of research I am crazy .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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